Same sex marriage is not a church issue.

[Christianity in crisis?]

I believe same sex marriage is not a church issue when it comes to the law. Christians who try to ban same sex marriage are wrong, and should be consistent with the separation of church and state. BTW... I am an evangelical Christian against forms of legalized discrimination.

[Christianity in crisis?]

The point isnt that its against gods will. My point is that gays will probably sue some churches for being "discriminatory." I have no right to impse my belief of gay marriage on them and they have no right to force me to mary them. Good question, I dont think that gays will want to be married under a church who doesnt support them. But then again, they might see this as a "golden opportunity" to sue churches and make easy money.

My Mormon friend, you have a biased tainted view through Mormon propoganda and presuppositions. Please watch the DVD "8 - The Mormon Proposition" and you will begin the see the other side of the issue. It will challenge your view and probably shake you up as a Mormon too. In my Evangeical Christian belief based on Scripture authority, the Mormon Church is wrong on many many central issues when examined through Scripture alone.

What does this post have to do with my reply?

Everything, because all our belief systems and opinions are grounded in some source of authority. Your first response to the issue was" same sex marriage is against God's will". Okay, how do you determine the will of God? To determine what is moral is immoral is grounded in something.

[Kuan]

The point isnt that its against gods will. My point is that gays will probably sue some churches for being "discriminatory." I have no right to impse my belief of gay marriage on them and they have no right to force me to mary them. Good question, I dont think that gays will want to be married under a church who doesnt support them. But then again, they might see this as a "golden opportunity" to sue churches and make easy money.

My Mormon friend, you have a biased tainted view through Mormon propoganda and presuppositions. Please watch the DVD "8 - The Mormon Proposition" and you will begin the see the other side of the issue. It will challenge your view and probably shake you up as a Mormon too. In my Evangeical Christian belief based on Scripture authority, the Mormon Church is wrong on many many central issues when examined through Scripture alone.

What does this post have to do with my reply?

Everything, because all our belief systems and opinions are grounded in some source of authority. Your first response to the issue was" same sex marriage is against God's will". Okay, how do you determine the will of God? To determine what is moral is immoral is grounded in something.

If you really want to discuss dogma and our different beliefs, lets move it to a different thread. If we state any dogma in here you will be challenged to prove the existence of a god, then prove how scripture is literal or not, ect. Its the same thing each time.

[Christianity in crisis?]

The point isnt that its against gods will. My point is that gays will probably sue some churches for being "discriminatory." I have no right to impse my belief of gay marriage on them and they have no right to force me to mary them. Good question, I dont think that gays will want to be married under a church who doesnt support them. But then again, they might see this as a "golden opportunity" to sue churches and make easy money.

My Mormon friend, you have a biased tainted view through Mormon propoganda and presuppositions. Please watch the DVD "8 - The Mormon Proposition" and you will begin the see the other side of the issue. It will challenge your view and probably shake you up as a Mormon too. In my Evangeical Christian belief based on Scripture authority, the Mormon Church is wrong on many many central issues when examined through Scripture alone.

What does this post have to do with my reply?

Everything, because all our belief systems and opinions are grounded in some source of authority. Your first response to the issue was" same sex marriage is against God's will". Okay, how do you determine the will of God? To determine what is moral is immoral is grounded in something.

If you really want to discuss dogma and our different beliefs, lets move it to a different thread. If we state any dogma in here you will be challenged to prove the existence of a god, then prove how scripture is literal or not, ect. Its the same thing each time.

Thanks for the offer. However, If understand the official beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, you do not have an option to reject Mormon dogma. It is based on a similar structure like the Catholic Church's Magestrium - Apostolic Sucession. The LDS Church believes in a form of Apostolic Succession or Prophet Sucession on the assumption of a great apostasy and restoration of apostate Christianity. If I believe Joseph Smith was a false prophet, then what's the point of the debate? We should stick with the subject topic since the Mormon Church has such an aggressive agenda to influence government based on Mormon Theology of the after-life family. The Mormon propositon Agenda is theology driven on your overall belief system of reuniting your famlies in Heaven as you become God's of your own planet. Mormonism is really mutually exclusive from historic Christianity. Please watch the new DVD called The Mormon Proposition - 8, and you will see this issue quite differently.

[Kuan]

The point isnt that its against gods will. My point is that gays will probably sue some churches for being "discriminatory." I have no right to impse my belief of gay marriage on them and they have no right to force me to mary them. Good question, I dont think that gays will want to be married under a church who doesnt support them. But then again, they might see this as a "golden opportunity" to sue churches and make easy money.

My Mormon friend, you have a biased tainted view through Mormon propoganda and presuppositions. Please watch the DVD "8 - The Mormon Proposition" and you will begin the see the other side of the issue. It will challenge your view and probably shake you up as a Mormon too. In my Evangeical Christian belief based on Scripture authority, the Mormon Church is wrong on many many central issues when examined through Scripture alone.

What does this post have to do with my reply?

Everything, because all our belief systems and opinions are grounded in some source of authority. Your first response to the issue was" same sex marriage is against God's will". Okay, how do you determine the will of God? To determine what is moral is immoral is grounded in something.

If you really want to discuss dogma and our different beliefs, lets move it to a different thread. If we state any dogma in here you will be challenged to prove the existence of a god, then prove how scripture is literal or not, ect. Its the same thing each time.

Thanks for the offer. However, If understand the official beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, you do not have an option to reject Mormon dogma. It is based on a similar structure like the Catholic Church's Magestrium - Apostolic Sucession. The LDS Church believes in a form of Apostolic Succession or Prophet Sucession on the assumption of a great apostasy and restoration of apostate Christianity. If I believe Joseph Smith was a false prophet, then what's the point of the debate? We should stick with the subject topic since the Mormon Church has such an aggressive agenda to influence government based on Mormon Theology of the after-life family. The Mormon propositon Agenda is theology driven on your overall belief system of reuniting your famlies in Heaven as you become God's of your own planet. Mormonism is really mutually exclusive from historic Christianity. Please watch the new DVD called The Mormon Proposition - 8, and you will see this issue quite differently.

You have a distorted view of mormonism then. Yes we believe in a modern prophet. The point of debate? I was talking about discussing the differences.

Gods of our own planet? Your reading anti mormon literature. This is a half true-half false statement

[Christianity in crisis?]

The point isnt that its against gods will. My point is that gays will probably sue some churches for being "discriminatory." I have no right to impse my belief of gay marriage on them and they have no right to force me to mary them. Good question, I dont think that gays will want to be married under a church who doesnt support them. But then again, they might see this as a "golden opportunity" to sue churches and make easy money.

My Mormon friend, you have a biased tainted view through Mormon propoganda and presuppositions. Please watch the DVD "8 - The Mormon Proposition" and you will begin the see the other side of the issue. It will challenge your view and probably shake you up as a Mormon too. In my Evangeical Christian belief based on Scripture authority, the Mormon Church is wrong on many many central issues when examined through Scripture alone.

What does this post have to do with my reply?

Everything, because all our belief systems and opinions are grounded in some source of authority. Your first response to the issue was" same sex marriage is against God's will". Okay, how do you determine the will of God? To determine what is moral is immoral is grounded in something.

If you really want to discuss dogma and our different beliefs, lets move it to a different thread. If we state any dogma in here you will be challenged to prove the existence of a god, then prove how scripture is literal or not, ect. Its the same thing each time.

Thanks for the offer. However, If understand the official beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, you do not have an option to reject Mormon dogma. It is based on a similar structure like the Catholic Church's Magestrium - Apostolic Sucession. The LDS Church believes in a form of Apostolic Succession or Prophet Sucession on the assumption of a great apostasy and restoration of apostate Christianity. If I believe Joseph Smith was a false prophet, then what's the point of the debate? We should stick with the subject topic since the Mormon Church has such an aggressive agenda to influence government based on Mormon Theology of the after-life family. The Mormon propositon Agenda is theology driven on your overall belief system of reuniting your famlies in Heaven as you become God's of your own planet. Mormonism is really mutually exclusive from historic Christianity. Please watch the new DVD called The Mormon Proposition - 8, and you will see this issue quite differently.

You have a distorted view of mormonism then. Yes we believe in a modern prophet. The point of debate? I was talking about discussing the differences.

Gods of our own planet? Your reading anti mormon literature. This is a half true-half false statement

God the Father was Adam who was created; Men on the moon according to Bringham Young... all LDS related beliefs. At least we can use Scripture to support polygamy because OT Saints have multiple wives. Did you know Abraham married his half-sister (blood related)? Back to the thread topic. ... the Mormon propositon agenda to block same sex marriage is driven by the theological distncives crucial to Mormonism... which are mutually exclusive beliefs from historic Christianity. If Evangelical Christians understood this point, then they would think twice for working with Mormons on banning sex sex marriage. I think it's funny for religious people to legistate laws based on religious beliefs. If we want to go that route as religious believers, we should make the 10 commandments as mandatory law for our society.

[Kuan]

God the Father was Adam who was created; Men on the moon according to Bringham Young... all LDS related beliefs? At least we can use Scripture to support polygamy. Did you know Abraham married his half-sister (blood related)? Back to the thread topic. ... the Mormon propositon agenda to block same sex marriage is driven by the theological distncives of Mormonism... which are mutually exclusive from historic Christianity. If Evangelical Christians understood this point, then they would think twice for working with Mormons on banning sex sex marriage. I think it's funny for religious people to legistate laws based on religious beliefs. If we want to go that route as religious believers, we should make the 10 commandments as mandatory law for our society.

Again, thats not our beliefs. Yes we do differ from other christian beliefs on our view of salvation. You seem to be downtalking my religion a lot here, your focusing on what my church is doing rather than trying to discuss the actual OP. My respnse to the OP had nothing to do with mormon beliefs but rather with the chances of discriminatory lawsuits.

Religious laws have no place in the government. Yes, the LDS church's proposition agenda is driven by our beliefs, is that no different than any other religion?

[Christianity in crisis?]

God the Father was Adam who was created; Men on the moon according to Bringham Young... all LDS related beliefs? At least we can use Scripture to support polygamy. Did you know Abraham married his half-sister (blood related)? Back to the thread topic. ... the Mormon propositon agenda to block same sex marriage is driven by the theological distncives of Mormonism... which are mutually exclusive from historic Christianity. If Evangelical Christians understood this point, then they would think twice for working with Mormons on banning sex sex marriage. I think it's funny for religious people to legistate laws based on religious beliefs. If we want to go that route as religious believers, we should make the 10 commandments as mandatory law for our society.

Again, thats not our beliefs. Yes we do differ from other christian beliefs on our view of salvation. You seem to be downtalking my religion a lot here, your focusing on what my church is doing rather than trying to discuss the actual OP. My respnse to the OP had nothing to do with mormon beliefs but rather with the chances of discriminatory lawsuits.

Religious laws have no place in the government. Yes, the LDS church's proposition agenda is driven by our beliefs, is that no different than any other religion?

I'm completely lost with your points. Are you saying that it is against God's will for same sex marriages, or it is God's will to allow same sex marriages? If religious laws (beliefs systems) have no place in the government, then do you agree that the Catholic Church, Mormon Church, and some Evangelical churches are wrong to have a political agenda to prevent same sex marriages as civil law? Some Christian churches believe in same sex marriages and some don't.

[Kuan]

God the Father was Adam who was created; Men on the moon according to Bringham Young... all LDS related beliefs? At least we can use Scripture to support polygamy. Did you know Abraham married his half-sister (blood related)? Back to the thread topic. ... the Mormon propositon agenda to block same sex marriage is driven by the theological distncives of Mormonism... which are mutually exclusive from historic Christianity. If Evangelical Christians understood this point, then they would think twice for working with Mormons on banning sex sex marriage. I think it's funny for religious people to legistate laws based on religious beliefs. If we want to go that route as religious believers, we should make the 10 commandments as mandatory law for our society.

Again, thats not our beliefs. Yes we do differ from other christian beliefs on our view of salvation. You seem to be downtalking my religion a lot here, your focusing on what my church is doing rather than trying to discuss the actual OP. My respnse to the OP had nothing to do with mormon beliefs but rather with the chances of discriminatory lawsuits.

Religious laws have no place in the government. Yes, the LDS church's proposition agenda is driven by our beliefs, is that no different than any other religion?

I'm completely lost with your points. Are you saying that it is against God's will for same sex marriages, or it is God's will to allow same sex marriages? If religious laws (beliefs systems) have no place in the government, then do you agree that the Catholic Church, Mormon Church, and some Evangelical churches are wrong to have a political agenda to prevent same sex marriages as civil law? Some Christian churches believe in same sex marriages and some don't.

Im lost with yours too. Religous laws have no place in the government, therefore God's will should be left out. Do I think that some religous institutions are in the wrong? Yes, I see why my church is opposed to it. But I do think that they should have stayed out of it.

[Christianity in crisis?]

God the Father was Adam who was created; Men on the moon according to Bringham Young... all LDS related beliefs? At least we can use Scripture to support polygamy. Did you know Abraham married his half-sister (blood related)? Back to the thread topic. ... the Mormon propositon agenda to block same sex marriage is driven by the theological distncives of Mormonism... which are mutually exclusive from historic Christianity. If Evangelical Christians understood this point, then they would think twice for working with Mormons on banning sex sex marriage. I think it's funny for religious people to legistate laws based on religious beliefs. If we want to go that route as religious believers, we should make the 10 commandments as mandatory law for our society.

Again, thats not our beliefs. Yes we do differ from other christian beliefs on our view of salvation. You seem to be downtalking my religion a lot here, your focusing on what my church is doing rather than trying to discuss the actual OP. My respnse to the OP had nothing to do with mormon beliefs but rather with the chances of discriminatory lawsuits.

Religious laws have no place in the government. Yes, the LDS church's proposition agenda is driven by our beliefs, is that no different than any other religion?

I'm completely lost with your points. Are you saying that it is against God's will for same sex marriages, or it is God's will to allow same sex marriages? If religious laws (beliefs systems) have no place in the government, then do you agree that the Catholic Church, Mormon Church, and some Evangelical churches are wrong to have a political agenda to prevent same sex marriages as civil law? Some Christian churches believe in same sex marriages and some don't.

Im lost with yours too. Religous laws have no place in the government, therefore God's will should be left out. Do I think that some religous institutions are in the wrong? Yes, I see why my church is opposed to it. But I do think that they should have stayed out of it.

If religous beliefs (religous laws) have no place in the government, then you should tell the LDS Prophets to stay out of legislative laws preventing same sex marriages (equal rights for all is the Christian thing to do). I don't think God's will is left out of the government, because God directs all governments according to His sovereign will. You might want to read Romans chapter 13.

[Kuan]

My religion is fighting for their beliefs, they are allowed to do whatever they want. Then if god is in all governments according to his will, then how is the conflict over homosexuality not a church issue?